Comments on: What happens when you change the rules at your church…in the middle of a Sunday morning service http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/ Igniting Souls Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:40:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kary Oberbrunner http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25788 Kary Oberbrunner Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:45:50 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25788 Beautiful insight. So glad you make the most of your day. Blessings Sarah. Beautiful insight.
So glad you make the most of your day.
Blessings Sarah.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25787 Sarah Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:30:22 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25787 I never cease to be amazed by how the 10 minute conversations that I have with patients every day often delve deeper into relationship than the handshakes and unsure smiles that we often exchange Sunday morning at church. I feel like it has a lot to do with vulnerability. That said, I absolutely love this idea. It is reminiscent of something that Kondo Abel did at a young adult retreat that I attended last year. It was specifically a conversation related to how we fill space in our lives. While yes, it seems like it belongs in a more personal sphere, breaking the rules is what creates the beauty that you talk about here. I never cease to be amazed by how the 10 minute conversations that I have with patients every day often delve deeper into relationship than the handshakes and unsure smiles that we often exchange Sunday morning at church. I feel like it has a lot to do with vulnerability.

That said, I absolutely love this idea. It is reminiscent of something that Kondo Abel did at a young adult retreat that I attended last year. It was specifically a conversation related to how we fill space in our lives.

While yes, it seems like it belongs in a more personal sphere, breaking the rules is what creates the beauty that you talk about here.

]]> By: Kary Oberbrunner http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25786 Kary Oberbrunner Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:04:45 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25786 Cool man. I will check it out. I don't know if this relates but...our new people loved it. They didn't belong yet....but as they share in the audio sermon clip...as first time guests....they loved it and it made them want to belong. Email conversation is tough...feel free to respond...but maybe we can also extend the conversation in MI in the next couple weeks when I am up. I'd love to learn from you. Cool man. I will check it out. I don’t know if this relates but…our new people loved it. They didn’t belong yet….but as they share in the audio sermon clip…as first time guests….they loved it and it made them want to belong.

Email conversation is tough…feel free to respond…but maybe we can also extend the conversation in MI in the next couple weeks when I am up. I’d love to learn from you.

]]> By: david http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25785 david Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:04:59 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25785 a little more here... http://davidswatersedge.blogspot.com/2009/11/joe-myers-search-to-belong-and-circles.html a little more here…

http://davidswatersedge.blogspot.com/2009/11/joe-myers-search-to-belong-and-circles.html

]]> By: david http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25784 david Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:58:58 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25784 Joe's book Search to Belong radically changed and significantly clarified my thoughts on "community" and developing relationships. (Charlie Dean recommended it about five years ago, don't know if you know Charlie) His next book Organic Community is not as good in my opinion, but still has some good thoughts. I'd STRONGLY recommend Search to Belong. You won't love it all, but who wants to read something which doesn't produce some amount of tension! Joe’s book Search to Belong radically changed and significantly clarified my thoughts on “community” and developing relationships. (Charlie Dean recommended it about five years ago, don’t know if you know Charlie)

His next book Organic Community is not as good in my opinion, but still has some good thoughts.

I’d STRONGLY recommend Search to Belong. You won’t love it all, but who wants to read something which doesn’t produce some amount of tension!

]]> By: Kary Oberbrunner http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25783 Kary Oberbrunner Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:30:54 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25783 Tell me about Joe Myers Tell me about Joe Myers

]]> By: david http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/grace-church/what-happens-when-you-change-the-rules-at-your-church-in-the-middle-of-a-sunday-morning-service/comment-page-1/#comment-25782 david Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:02:43 +0000 http://www.karyoberbrunner.com/?p=2600#comment-25782 Hey Kary, Sounds fun. We've done similar things from time to time, but I wrestle a little with this kind of thing for just one reason. Do you think we're forcing a relational interaction into a sphere or relationships where it doesn't belong? (I'm assuming you are familiar with Joe Myers here) I'm sometimes a little concerned that these kind of activities (depending on what you ask people to do) belong in the "personal" sphere of relationships. Unfortunately, most of the relationships in an auditorium on Sundays are "public" type relationships, and "social" at best. While I like the idea of giving people a taste of the power of smaller relational interaction, I'm wonder if there is a way to modify this kind of activity in order to fit the relational space within which it occurs? Any thoughts? Hey Kary,
Sounds fun. We’ve done similar things from time to time, but I wrestle a little with this kind of thing for just one reason.
Do you think we’re forcing a relational interaction into a sphere or relationships where it doesn’t belong?
(I’m assuming you are familiar with Joe Myers here)
I’m sometimes a little concerned that these kind of activities (depending on what you ask people to do) belong in the “personal” sphere of relationships. Unfortunately, most of the relationships in an auditorium on Sundays are “public” type relationships, and “social” at best.
While I like the idea of giving people a taste of the power of smaller relational interaction, I’m wonder if there is a way to modify this kind of activity in order to fit the relational space within which it occurs?

Any thoughts?

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